We have many means to support them. I think you would find in looking at the backgrounds of the deputy ministers who are leading departments that they have tremendous experience in managing people through their careers. That's partly what supports them in taking on the big jobs that they do. Also supporting them are their human resources organizations, in which you find the human resources professionals who know in detail, let's say, the considerable law affecting human resources management. There are about 12 statutes that affect HR management; it is an area where expertise is required. As well, there are central policies and other guidance that we use to support them.
So deputies themselves are experienced managers with long backgrounds in people management, but they're also supported by organizations of professionals who help them in exercising their duties.