I guess that's of some interest to committee members. It certainly is for me, and I've heard it expressed by other members at this committee that this issue really is of interest to us.
We understand that even as it relates to the payroll for personnel within departments there is a possibility that we may see more efficient and effective service to Canadians with, possibly, even fewer people. So while we understand the necessity to care for the civil service and appreciate the work they do, because of the systems, in fact, it's requiring at this time more people than would be necessary if there were a more efficient or effective management structure in place.
I'm wondering if you could reference where we are in terms of the payroll system, because I think this is one of the systems that we have consistently seen break down and where we've had additional manpower dedicated to trying to manage something that effectively is an outdated system. When might we be able to see some significant streamlining on that front?