Essentially in the last 26 years, since I've been in business, we have never seen the government exactly have a policy on how to promote SMEs on the procurement side. We talk about it a lot. We have lots of data supporting SMEs as an important driving force in the economy, but we have never really had a full procurement policy in that sense.
Without that, the departments actually do not care, or they do not know why they have to deal with SMEs, until they go to PWGSC, but then it's often too late, because the procurement does not start at PWGSC, it starts at the department level when they have a requirement to resolve a project or a solution for a program they're supposed to run. None of the departments are really IT required shops.