Okay.
Given that few minutes of opportunity, I have two questions of my own, if the chair can take the liberty to ask two brief questions here.
First of all, two things that both of you identified are the bundling factor and trying to compete as a small competitor, to elbow your way into government procurement with such dominant large actors. The United States' office of small and medium-sized enterprise, or the counterpart, actually has a mandate to compel government to unbundle contracts, to the greatest extent possible, in order to enable the greatest number of smaller entrepreneurs to get a foothold and grow their companies to be big actors some day. Our Canadian office has no such mandate to recommend to government that they do that.
Would you recommend that there could be a secondary benefit in government procurement if it could facilitate more small entrepreneurs to incubate and grow and become large actors? That's my first question, the unbundling.
The second is that both of you have identified venture capital as an issue. Something I was working with in my past life, and we've had witnesses here representing venture capital funds whose source of money is the labour-sponsored investment funds.... The GrowthWorks organization that Tom Hayes represented here I believe was one of the venture capital firms that worked with you. Is that not right, Captain Patterson?