Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm pleased to bring some respect and decorum back to these proceedings.
Professor Wehner, I want to start with a question for you, please.
You mentioned in your presentation two examples, New Zealand and South Africa, where the approvals for appropriations are based on programs or outputs. I'm curious to know what impact, if any, that has had on the people, the electorate, as it were, of New Zealand and of South Africa.