First of all, I would love for the professor to study the Winnipeg projects. That's number one. I welcome him to come and study them.
Number two, I have seen situations where you will have.... Do I believe that everybody is giving you a fair, objective opinion? Yes, because the reality is that they have a duty to do that. They're professionals. Whether you're a lawyer or a CA, lawyers swear an oath and CAs also have someone to answer to. I can give you the exact opposite. A professor at one of our universities, who was retained by the provincial government, has said the same thing; maybe they're in a conflict because now they're working for the government and then saying something, because they're supposed to be objective.... Everybody has an opinion. Nobody's opinion is wrong, so let's just deal with the facts.
I think you said 16% they thought...? I am willing to bet that when they do that analysis.... Here's the key thing: the savings are not in just the construction. That's just part of it, okay? The true savings are in the maintenance.
I'd challenge anybody who has come from any of these beautiful cities to go to their city and show me a road, a bridge, or a public facility that has been properly maintained and that doesn't have deferred maintenance or, worse yet, is crumbling. Just last month we had to close down a City of Winnipeg parkade because of deferred maintenance. They're not being maintained.
The easiest thing in the world is to build something. The hard part is maintaining it so that it doesn't fall apart. That's what I believe the professor is missing.