First of all, as I mentioned right in the beginning, it's important to do your due diligence. What we did from day one is we put a cap on how much money the City of Winnipeg can allocate towards P3s. We will only allocate 20% of our capital funds. We can only go to a certain point, and we stop at that particular point so we won't get in over our heads.
Just to clarify, when you are making payments, that is debt. Let's not say anything other than that. It's definitely debt; it's debt over a long period of time. Just recently we actually financed our own project of fire and paramedic stations with CMHC. That is debt as well. A P3 is debt. What we've done is we've capped the amount of money we will direct towards these payments of P3s.