The way I would approach it is to come back to this question of the gradual approach to contracting that Mr. Ring outlined: the ancillary, then the design, and then the construction approach.
The ancillary contracts are about exploring some concepts with the yard to try to manage down the amount of risk and contingency that would be in any future part of the project. Right now we have ancillary contracts with the Vancouver Shipyards for both our science vessel project and polar icebreaker.
Admiral Finn spoke of the involvement of the builder in the design phase. It's having the builder sit with us as we're designing the hull form of the polar icebreaker, which we're currently doing, and testing it in the tank at the National Research Council, in St. John's. In understanding the structure that might be required for that hull form, the builder could say, well, if you did it this way, it would reduce our risk or fit better into our field of expertise or our knowledge or our technical approach.
Managing risk is about the spiral in terms of design, of increasing certainty around the project, down to the point that when you actually start to cut steel, you know exactly where every bolt and every cable tray goes, what systems are going to be aboard, and what engines are going to be in the vessel. You're not designing the vessel as you're building it. That's the last thing you want to do. You never want to be making changes to the structure of your house as you're building it.