Thank you for your thoughts on that.
Interestingly, to follow up on that question, the experience in Alberta is that even though people are becoming energy efficient, the price is going up because they're paying for the long range, including export power lines and third-party brokers. So trying to build more cost-effective sources doesn't look like the answer. The answer is to bring down the need.
I have two follow-up questions.
One is a follow-up question to for my colleague Mr. Albas' question. He seemed to be suggesting that retrofitting was expensive. But isn't it more fiscally responsible? I look at the numerous examples you've provided on the cost savings over time for the retrofitting of federal facilities. Isn't it more fiscally responsible to reduce energy and water bills over time, since it's the taxpayers who are paying those bills?
Related to that, I'm wondering if each of you could give me an idea of what you see as the one or two key barriers to getting the federal government thinking of measures. I had noted that there was talk about a third of the buildings being done, but I think that's a third of owned buildings—or maybe that's even Public Works and DND. Public Works said that Canada has space in 40,000 buildings. I don't think we've retrofitted a third of those.
So I'm keen to hear what each of you would suggest are the one or two key measures that you think we could recommend to the Government of Canada to incent more measures towards energy efficiency at the federal level.
I know you've given us a lot of information, but I'm curious to know—