I can add something.
We do a lot of training and working with all the different people in charge of different parts of the buildings. You have facilities, capital planning, the operations people, and so forth. They deal with their responsibilities in silos, and they don't talk. There's no coordination. We want people that run facilities to think the other way. If I'm doing capital asset planning, I want to talk to the energy efficiency people to see if I can't utilize their solutions and expertise to buy down the costs of doing capital asset planning. You need a team approach versus the silo approach, and that's the problem. If Public Works sets the standard for performance, and they run it across all the different departments, that will help as well.