Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you for once again coming before the committee. I know that you were very involved in the study of the estimates process.
I share with Mr. McCallum enthusiasm about this shift to a program activity view of government. I think it's more meaningful and will lead to better scrutiny of the supply process.
I want to ask some clarifying questions about programs and activities. In an average department, how many programs would there be, roughly? Are we talking about 10, about 100, about fewer than five? This question is for the sake of Canadians' understanding what this might look like going forward.