I'll start and then ask my colleague Sally to chime in—if I can find the stats that I usually have with me.
Before you get into programs, you have to think about strategic outcomes, because that's the highest level. Going from memory, most departments would have three or four strategic outcomes.
Programs are an explosion of those strategic outcomes. Your average department would have many more programs than strategic outcomes.
Sally, can you add up how many programs we have compared with strategic outcomes?