The first thing I'd like to say is that if the minister is serious about looking at program activity, my suggestion to you—and it's really just tabled as a helpful suggestion—is that you have to do something about disciplining departments on the basis of their program architecture. The program architecture renewal has to be looked at at the same time, because the quality of information we'll get and the way it matches will be very weak. You know more than I do that departments position themselves strategically by using their program architecture as a tool. This is just a suggestion, but I think what we would need to do is address rules surrounding program architecture renewal at the same time.
I'd like to go on to another question, concerning public service cuts. As you know, there has been a lot of difficulty tracking exactly what is going on with cuts to public service jobs. A report was put out by the Centre canadien de politiques alternatives or Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. Their calculation is that there are probably about 28,700 cuts of permanent jobs. The figures from Treasury Board are more on the order of 19,200.
Can you tell me why there's a difference in these calculations? What is the real figure?