Mr. Chair, I have a two-part response.
First, the budget for the 2013-14 time period is $3.8 million.
The second part of the response is the fact that the whole budget for the public service renewal component was reflected in the third PA structure I referenced—public service leadership and direction. At the time, in 2012-13, because it precluded the creation in the main estimates, it was all reflected under that third PA structure. It precluded the creation of the organization, which came about in September.
As a result of the creation of the Business Transformation and Renewal Secretariat, there was a redistribution of the budget that previously was reflected in only one of the PA structures. So in essence there wasn't necessarily a reduction or a cut to the public service renewal envelope per se; it was redistributed among the other three.