With regard to renewable resources, ESG is a factor that we take very seriously, and we are very conscious of the social licence to operate these types of assets. I would argue that in having an investor such as a pension fund—and you were referring to TimberWest, where we're partnering with BCIMC—you probably have the ideal owner for those types of assets because we're not focused on maximizing the annual cashflow from the assets. TimberWest was a publicly listed company that had a lot of debt. Because they had debt, they had to cut more trees to pay the interest on the debt. Obviously, as a pension plan with significant inflows, we don't have that issue.
So I think those types of assets have found the ideal owner in public pension funds in private hands.