Okay. Let's talk about staffing then, because when we deal with staffing we have to deal with collective agreements. So you're talking about a new model for staffing called risk-based staffing. At this point where are you with your consultations with the public service unions on this question? Is this something you have buy-in on? Your entire project is predicated on buy-in. You have to have a public servant who believes in the project.
Some of them would say that we've been through this all before, this kind of visioning exercise. But if you don't have a public service that has a buy-in, that doesn't feel respected, it's going to be very difficult to go forward with this.
So with regard to staffing, what have you done to get that buy-in?