In other words, every five years there's going to be $1 billion of savings and, Ms. Forand, I think you said it's going to get up to $400 million. In other words, every five years we'll save $2 billion. That is the kind of government that I think we want to have in place, so thank you very much for that. That's music to my ears.
One of the other things, and this is a little personal note, is that my office used to get a lot of calls from people that they couldn't use the websites. I think you mentioned the IT has improved greatly. I'm not getting those comments now. I think your websites in the various departments, all the departments, seem to be more user-friendly. As a matter of fact, I was on one yesterday for Canada 150 and it was really useful. Even I could use it, so that's a good testament. It's nice to hear.
The other thing I heard is about the 256 companies. My riding is a middle-class riding and over the years we've had challenges with employment and now we find that our companies are working. Shipbuilding has nothing to do with my riding—we're between both oceans—but quite frankly, we're excited about that because we're going to get a heck of a lot of contracts, especially from the east coast. There are a lot of fabricators in my riding. You mentioned small businesses. These folks are creating jobs and when another welder is hired at $60,000 to $80,000 a year, that adds to our economy. All of that is good.
As I said, I heard a lot of good things here. You talked about the Miramichi call centre. For the last five years we have had a call centre in our riding and it's like an anchor tenant at a mall. When you have a good government facility like that, it encourages other people to invest, and our community has improved over the last five years as a result. I'm very happy for Miramichi.
I have a question for the minister. Minister, you mentioned there would be 50,000 jobs for the next 30 years for shipbuilding, so probably in the next three to five years we'll be dealing with everybody in the world. We have 38 free trade agreements already and growing. You talked about the ups and downs in shipbuilding, but is there a way that once we do our work we can sell our shipbuilding expertise to other countries? I guess that's what I'm asking, because I would think that after 10 to 15 years we're going to be in pretty good shape.