In your opening comments, you referred to Mr. Jenkins. That's Tom Jenkins, who chaired the report “Canada First: Leveraging Defence Procurement Through Key Industrial Capabilities”, presented in February of this year. I've met with some of the manufacturers who are on the Hill today and were here yesterday, and what has been alluded to is that Canada has been really good at universities and R and D, but we haven't taken the concepts to commercialization, that we have trouble with that.
When you are working with these innovators, which defence.... I have companies called ArmorWorks and Kelowna Flightcraft in aviation. They are not normally known for.... I mean, they're conservative in nature, and there's nothing wrong with that, by all means, but the fact is that when it comes to defence, they don't necessarily want to be the leading edge. Is this R and D program helping to take that edge out of defence, so that they can help commercialize with the assistance of the federal government?