That's very good, but Mr. Drouin referred earlier to a study of being “agile”, where we talk about the outcome as opposed to the process. I want to make sure we're just not ticking boxes and saying, “yes, there's a problem, hey look, we studied it”, but that we're actually getting concrete reduction in red tape.
I'm going to throw Mr. Ieraci under the bus here in front of you, unfortunately. In his report, he says that federal government organizations “do not have sufficient procurement staff or have staff that do not have experience or knowledge needed to tackle the volume and complexity of procurement”.
Sorry, Mr. Ieraci.
What are we doing to address that? Do you believe that's correct? What is PSPC doing to correct that? We've heard that about defence procurement as well. We just don't have the specialists we need.