I agree with the 51%, because as Mary just said, it's an international standard. It's what everybody else is doing, and if you're less than 51% women-owned, you're technically not a diverse business. At NLOWE we do service businesses, of course, that are less than 51%, but when it comes to procurement and tracking, 51% definitely is where you need to go.
With the issue of male-owned and women-led businesses, I agree with Mary. I think that if we're going to go on the diverse business side, we don't need to include those male-owned businesses that are women-led. There's a leadership piece for that, and I think that's a whole other side of it. When we did our economic forums last year, we did talk about the leadership side.
I think right now, for our procurement side, we do need to focus on the 51% women-owned, managed, and controlled, because then we know that business is completely led and the decisions are being made by the women in that business.