The 5% is really what we're trying to encourage for that to occur in all of the major projects.
We are working with our acquisitions partners, within the policy framework, to develop the types of approaches that will incentivize the major contract holders to work with.... Really, where most of the activities happen are the small and medium-sized enterprises that are contracted with PCL, EllisDon, Pomerleau, and others that are the major construction managers who will be winning the competitive contracts.
They then tender competitively and it's the incentivization at that level where we feel we can have the greatest success to encourage participation, whether it's from indigenous firms, creating indigenous employment, female-led organizations, etc.