Evidence of meeting #124 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was suppliers.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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Mike Pacholok  Chief Purchasing Officer, Purchasing and Materials Management Division, City of Toronto

11:20 a.m.

Chief Purchasing Officer, Purchasing and Materials Management Division, City of Toronto

Mike Pacholok

Yes, when we do a pre-qualification or request for proposal and there's an evaluative component, there will be points assigned if they have their own supply chain diversity policy. They would have to provide that to us to demonstrate and get the points, including if they're a certified diverse supplier. We do add points to the process that could often give someone an edge when, other things being equal, they're very similar in experience.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

How many companies manage to get ranked or make an effort to get those points? Do you have any statistics on that?

11:25 a.m.

Chief Purchasing Officer, Purchasing and Materials Management Division, City of Toronto

Mike Pacholok

There are approximately 600 certified diverse suppliers across all of the supplier organizations. The one challenge, and it's why this is still in its infancy, is that we have to help the supplier councils convince more suppliers to get certified. The city does business with about 4,000 to 5,000 vendors, so 600 is still a small pool.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

I also note that you can award contracts to some invited suppliers in the case of municipal orders of goods worth from $3,000 to $100,000. I assume that the invited suppliers are pre-selected? How did you get to those amounts?

11:25 a.m.

Chief Purchasing Officer, Purchasing and Materials Management Division, City of Toronto

Mike Pacholok

To clarify, under $100,000, it's not uncontested; it's still a quoting system, so at least three people are competing for the work. The numbers that we landed on relate to the Canada free trade agreement, where for amounts of more than $100,000, we would be looking to put it to an open market.

We may still establish a pre-qualified list, but that pre-qualified list would still go first to the open market for consideration.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

How are the three businesses that bid selected? Arbitrarily? How do they know that they can bid?

11:25 a.m.

Chief Purchasing Officer, Purchasing and Materials Management Division, City of Toronto

Mike Pacholok

Well, in part this is where the diversifier list comes into play. Our staff will look at that list, find the diversifier that fits the goods or services they're looking to purchase, and contact them, as well as at least two others they might already know from past experience.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Thank you.

I don't have any more questions.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Thank you very much.

If anyone has any questions they want to submit to the clerk, that would be appreciated. Second, we will be coming back because we need to give drafting instructions to the analyst, so we'll be back right after the vote.

Thank you very much for being here. It's life in the federal lane.

Thank you for your help and your presentation.

11:25 a.m.

Chief Purchasing Officer, Purchasing and Materials Management Division, City of Toronto

Mike Pacholok

Thank you very much.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Vice-Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

The meeting is suspended.

[Proceedings continue in camera]