If we looked at coordinating apprenticeship programs with colleges, with Métis or indigenous people, maybe some cross-policy work could happen there. If we set the target, if it's 15% as you said, they'll have to find their 15% by going through the college system or trade unions.
One of the problems I've seen, reading the notes and looking at the white paper before this, was identifying them. Mr. Card, you mentioned this as well in terms of a portal. But the indigenous talent pool that would have those skill sets or the indigenous companies that would be able to provide those skill sets, having the procurement officer being able to find these people.... Right now I'm assuming there's not much in the way of being able to find these people based on—