You've called the program, and actually other programs in your audit, incomprehensible failures and I think most of us in this room will agree, and it's not just over Phoenix. We hear again and again that people were consulted, but a lot of that information did not make it up to the top. I'm just wondering how we can force openness.
It's not just the Phoenix program. We have a lot of other programs, whether it's providing safe drinking water, the shipbuilding project—which is going to be $60 billion to $100 billion—or the fighter jets. How can we ensure, going forward, that we actually have the openness required for the minister to make the proper decisions? We don't want to end up in a situation like this again, where everyone seems to know there's a problem, but it's not getting up to the minister or to the proper decision-makers?