This is one of my great worries. If the average Canadian with a university degree doesn't know about such things as “business line clients”, when we're dealing with aboriginal applicants and English or French as a second language, I can only imagine how difficult it is for them. I want to get a really strong understanding that in the public service—it sounds like you don't have the legislative ability to change this—we are tackling that issue of people who are not in the public service being excluded from jobs.
When you were here the last time, we talked about the name-blind recruitment project and table 7 in it. You haven't got it in front of you. We talked about how we have the name-blinding so that we're screening out for race, etc., but those in the public service still enjoyed a massive advantage in screening over those applying from the outside. Even with name-blinding, people currently in the public service have a massive advantage. It is excluding Canadians from applying. I just want to get a good sense that this is a big issue, if it is big enough that outside private sector counsellors are training people on it. I want to ensure that the public service is going to tackle this issue.