You have people who are trained on a variety of domains that should translate reasonably well into civilian life. We've had examples such as ambulance drivers. An ambulance driver in an operational situation in the military can be an ambulance driver in the city. I don't think there's a big, big difference in terms of skills needed, but they have trouble getting their skills recognized by civilian society. I'm not just talking about public service, but civilian society in general. On the ambulance driver issue, for example, we get into provincial jurisdiction, which is another added burden to this.
It seems that because maybe it's very new, this skills translator that you just talked about, it's been a big issue for veterans so far. That five-year window to make a decision about where they want to go career-wise in the public service is sometimes not enough for the processing they need to do after they get out of the military. That skills translator doesn't help them—or didn't, because it probably didn't exist—to find the right window of entering the public service. A lot of them miss the five-year chance because they weren't accompanied until then in translating their skills into appropriate skills for the civil service.
You have that translator, but you told us that it's not in the public service.