We are working very closely with the union, and we need to, because of course they are there and they know exactly what stress levels the employees are experiencing. I met with them and I can tell you that they want to do their very best and they're working really hard. We've put in place employee assistance personnel to work with them to help them particularly to deal with stressful situations.
I went there purposely to tell them that what is happening with Phoenix is not anything of their making, that in fact this is happening, and that, really, in terms of the measures that should have been taken in advance when the previous government decided they were going to go with Phoenix, maybe a little more thought should have gone into those measures, to make sure.... If you have a vision for a new payroll system, the focus should not be on realizing savings. You should first realize your vision and then get your savings once your vision has been realized.