—but we have an example of a departure from that practice.
As we talk about the reforming process and the reforms of those processes, assuming they'll most likely persist beyond the life of this government, if the appearance of ministers is an integral part of that improvement, we would also want that improvement to persist.
Granted, there was a long tradition of ministers appearing, but other governments have shown that the tradition needn't have been maintained and that it's at the pleasure of the government that it's done.
Are you open to the idea of creating, as part of your proposal, a situation in which there's an obligation for ministers beyond convention and tradition, a standing order obligation for ministers to be accessible to committees for a study of the estimates?