Yes. What we're hearing from our public service is that there's a genuine fear of coming forward. We actually had some witnesses appear before us and we've had documentation of their lives basically being ruined for doing the right thing in coming forward. When we've done surveys with our public service—and I'm going to be non-partisan here, it happened under my government and it's still continuing currently—well over 50% of our public servants state clearly that they're afraid to come forward, it's just not worth it, their lives will be ruined, their jobs will be gone. We've actually seen evidence of that, which is why I think we, all around the committee here, are very committed to having very clear protection in a reverse onus.
However, you're saying that wasn't as much of an issue or did I misunderstand?