Thanks for that question.
Software applications are owned by the departments that use them to provide their services. They are not part of the responsibility of digital government.
I can say that there are many, many applications, somewhere around 18,000 applications, and some of them are older. There's no question about that. We're working with all of the departments to encourage them to reduce the number and to consolidate their applications, as well as to use digital principles, so that we have an approach across government where we're working together and sharing applications that can be used for various departments.