A number of our businesses have applied to the PSAB program. Within the PSAB program, you are identifying that you are an indigenous-owned business. They never got the PSAB contracts, but when they applied to open tenders within the federal government, they've been successful in the contracts, so I think there is an unconscious bias on indigenous businesses within the procurement evaluations.
When you talked about one of the concrete things that needs to happen, it has to be past the mandate. It has to be within the executive and within management's reporting requirements. They have to have that target set right in there. If they have that target, they're going to make sure that it is happening.
Within the corporate world, Suncor has done that. That came from the the top down. They went to all the buying managers and told them that this was what they needed to do, and that if they didn't reach it, their evaluation was not going to be 100% successful and potentially they wouldn't have the bonuses as well.
That's the one thing that really needs to happen with the federal government for indigenous procurement. It has to be incentivized and have teeth to it.