Evidence of meeting #101 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was investigation.

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Michel Lafleur  Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Stephanie Bond

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That is your time. Thank you very much.

We go back to you, Mr. Brock, please.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Paragraph 50, page 10 of the statement of fact report as it relates to Cameron MacDonald is largely redacted. It starts unredacted as follows: It is important to note that the true motivation behind these actions are unclear and that while the Botler AI complaint appears to indicate that Kristian Firth solicited a bribe for Cameron MacDonald, exhibit 10, there has been no evidence gathered to date in this regard.

I'll take it by your non-response, sir, that you don't want to share the truth as to whether or not that important piece of your investigation was shared with the RCMP.

On the issue of deleting emails, Minh Doan, to clarify, has never been the subject of this particular “Project Helios” investigation. Is that correct?

11:50 a.m.

Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency

Michel Lafleur

As was published—

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Is it correct, sir, that he's not part of the investigation?

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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency

Michel Lafleur

If I could answer—

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

I'm asking you. Is he part of the investigation or not?

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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency

Michel Lafleur

On December 11, I received allegations, as has been made public, relating to Mr. Doan.

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Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Is he still the subject of an investigation?

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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency

Michel Lafleur

That review is ongoing.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

That review of whether or not he's going to be the subject of an investigation is under way...? So that's a possibility.

11:50 a.m.

Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency

Michel Lafleur

The review of the allegations we received—

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

That's a possibility. Is that correct?

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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency

February 5th, 2024 / 11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Minh Doan confirmed this, and ATIPs delivered to CBSA have confirmed that Minh Doan has four years' worth of highly relevant sensitive emails between the years of 2018 to 2022, which not only captures the pandemic and the ArriveCAN scandal, but also the Botler AI investigation that has mysteriously been corrupted. He's not taken responsibility for deliberately deleting that. The approximate number of those emails is roughly seven gigabytes, or 1,700 emails. You would agree with me, sir, that emails are supposed to be—

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm sorry, Mr. Brock.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

I'm sorry. I have a point of order. I don't believe any of us have actually seen this statement of fact. Do you have a copy you can share with us? We're looking for it, and I don't think—

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm the only one on the committee who has a copy of it. I think Mr. Brock mentioned—

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

Can we have it distributed so that we can—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

No. I'll discuss it on Wednesday.

I think Mr. Brock indicated he received the information from two of our witnesses who have received it.

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Liberal

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

Are we not allowed to see it?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'll discuss it Wednesday. I and the clerk are the only people with a copy of it right now, but I'll address it—

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Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Did Mr. Brock get it from a witness?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Not from the committee and not from CBSA.

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Liberal

Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

How did Mr. Brock get it?

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An hon. member

This isn't a point of order.