As I indicated, Mr. Chair, I believe the will of this committee is to relieve Mr. Lafleur of his responsibilities today. I take into great consideration Mrs. Vignola's suggestion. We're not saying never; we're just saying not now.
We don't know how long this investigation is going to take. We're approaching two years since the date that the CBSA received the Botler complaint. We received no update at all from the RCMP, and we don't know, ultimately, if the internal investigations by the CBSA or the RCMP are going to focus on other individuals. As I suggested to Mr. Lafleur, which he disagreed with, Mr. Minh Doan needs to be criminally investigated. There is a serious allegation of the deleting of four years of relevant emails by a person who held the title of vice-president and who is now Canada's chief information officer. If there's anyone who should know how to preserve his IT and emails, it would be Mr. Doan. Mr. Doan appears to be the only one at the CBSA who had a problem with his emails. That's suspicious.
Notwithstanding what Mr. Lafleur said, I'm really glad that we were not in camera—to Mr. Sousa's point—but rather in public because I hope the RCMP investigator, whoever that was, was following this, because there is a strong suggestion that the breadth of those involved in this scam needs to be expanded. We have serious concerns about Mr. Doan. I have serious concerns about Erin O'Gorman, the president of the CBSA, who deliberately misled this committee. Not once but on at least two occasions, she deliberately withheld information from this committee. Although witnesses are never.... Well, I shouldn't say never, but they are rarely sworn to tell the truth. However, when witnesses attend a committee, they are presumed to be telling the truth and nothing but the truth, so help them God—or however it binds their conscience.
I leave with that notion, sir, that this investigation has the potential to be expanded, that there are more individuals involved than simply Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Utano.
Bearing in mind the will of the committee, I'm moving for a vote.