Evidence of meeting #101 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was investigation.
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Liberal
Charles Sousa Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON
It is a point of order. How is it that certain committee members are receiving it and not all committee members?
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
This is not a point of order, Mr. Sousa. I have explained to you he received.... He did not.... I'm the only one on the committee who has a copy of it, me and the clerk. No one else has received it from this committee.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
I'm sure Mr. Brock also has copies of ATIPs that are not sent to us. I have copies of ATIPs that have not been sent to the committee. You have emails that have not been sent to the committee because they were sent to you separately. If you were listening, I think you would have heard Mr. Brock at the very beginning of the meeting indicating that he received it from the witnesses, whom I assume are Mr. MacDonald and Mr. Utano, who did receive a copy.
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Liberal
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley
I think it was discussed at the very beginning of the meeting.
Mr. Brock, you're at two minutes and 10 seconds, so you have two minutes and 50 seconds left.
Go ahead, please.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Thank you, Chair.
Minh Doan at the time was the vice-president of the CBSA. You'd agree with me, sir, that deleting emails is an extremely serious offence.
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
It would be a breach of the code of conduct to wilfully delete emails.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
It's incumbent on an IT professional, as Minh Doan was, to protect work emails dealing with official matters. Is that correct?
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
It is part of our responsibilities, yes.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
The level of seriousness increases depending on the position a public servant holds. In this case, a low-level administrative data-entry individual is vastly different in terms of the seriousness scale from the vice-president of the CBSA when you reference deleting emails. Would you agree with that?
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
I would agree.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
When was the president, Erin O'Gorman, informed about Mr. Doan's deleted emails?
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
We have not concluded that there were any deleted emails.
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
She was informed of the allegations when I received them.
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
The allegations as I received them.
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Conservative
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
December 11 is when I received them. I can't recall exactly which date I would have—
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
When was the Auditor General notified of four years' worth of deleted relevant emails?
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
Again, one point of clarification, I have no evidence that there has been deletion at this point. We are looking into the matter.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Can you answer the question, Mr. Lafleur?
When was the Auditor General notified of four years' worth of a vice-president's deleted email account? When was she notified and by whom?
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Executive Director, Professional Integrity, Canada Border Services Agency
I can say that, during our various engagements with the Office of the Auditor General, we have provided them with all of the information that we had available.
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
Did you inform the Auditor General yourself, sir, or someone under your control, that the Auditor General received evidence of four years' worth of deleted emails by Minh Doan, vice-president—yes or no?