You suggested that Mr. Doan was not permitted by his seniors to select Deloitte for ArriveCAN because it was in a penalty box. I think you alluded to that again today.
You speculated that was due to a risk management project called the CARM project. Mr. Doan stated that this decision was more likely due to Deloitte's lack of cloud capability, while Mr. Ossowski did not recall directing anyone to not work with Deloitte.
I asked Mr. Doan specifically who made the decision. I think we've come to the point that he made the decision on ArriveCAN. I think we've uncovered that. Perhaps you can shed some light on that piece, sir. Can you give insight into why Deloitte was not selected for ArriveCAN?