All right.
In reviewing your report, it seemed to me—having been a public servant in charge of cost centres, I have a good understanding of them—that for the two major areas of defence and indigenous services, these were either funds that were in reserve or were just going to be given back anyway. In my opinion, the Treasury Board president certainly has failed on the objective that she set for herself back in July or August, I believe.
The Privy Council Office found $1.3 million by streamlining management structures, but from the recent ArriveCAN study, it seems that management is too complex to ensure accountability and compliance throughout the system. That has led to the astronomical cost overruns that we've seen in ArriveCAN.
Do you think that all departments should begin looking at streamlining management and services to be more efficient and to ensure that there are cost savings in the organization and in outcomes? What would you recommend, based upon what you've seen, both within your reporting and with the ArriveCAN scam scandal?