You don't know the number. We don't know the number right now of how many federal employees are double-dipping, who have these jobs with the federal government and are also collecting funds through contracts with the federal government.
Minister, as my next question, can you identify how much of the $5 million that was announced today in the media by Bill Curry in The Globe and Mail is attributed to the ArriveCAN scam? How much of the $5 million is involved in the ArriveCAN scandal?