I think Mr. Doan was referring to the fact that there are 1,400 people in the information, science and technology branch. Those people reported directly to him as the vice-president.
I think it's also clear that the technical authorities for all of these contracts were with the border technologies innovation directorate. As I have said before, the executive director of that was Mr. Utano. The DG of that was Mr. MacDonald.
I cannot comment on what Mr. Doan actually said back in the evidence. I have looked at the evidence, but I can't comment on the detail of that.