Evidence of meeting #114 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Blaine Higgs  Premier of New Brunswick, Government of New Brunswick
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Thomas Bigelow
Danielle Smith  Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

Well, the reason we have so much solar and wind in our province is that we have a free market. You'll notice that there are many other jurisdictions that don't, so they don't have wind and solar. The reason wind and solar make sense in our province is that there's natural gas backup. You can talk to any solar or wind provider: They know we need natural gas.

Natural gas has a carbon tax on it. If you want to see more wind and solar, you should take the taxes off the peaker plants that are going to back them up.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you, Premier.

Chair, I'm going to use my remaining time to move a motion, as follows:

That the committee invite the International Association of Firefighters (IAFF) to appear in relation to the ongoing study of the Main Estimates.

Thank you.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Sure. How about if we release our witness and go to that motion?

Premier Smith, thank you very much.

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate it.

Thank you to the committee.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Did you want to propose a certain date or anything, Mr. Naqvi?

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Yes, we should have them. You're so good in scheduling witnesses so urgently—

12:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

—that I have full faith in trusting you.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

On Good Friday, we'll be meeting with the IAFF.

We have a motion on the floor. Do we have a speaking list or are we fine to adopt that motion, colleagues?

Do you want to repeat it slowly so that our clerk can write it down?

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

I will, and I would suggest that they appear as soon as possible, Chair.

The motion reads:

That the committee invite the International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) to appear in relation to the ongoing study of the Main Estimates.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That would include “before the estimates are tabled.” How's that?

Next we have Ms. Atwin and then Mr. Bachrach.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jenica Atwin Liberal Fredericton, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm just looking for some clarity. I wasn't sure if you were joking or not about meeting on Good Friday. This week has been full of surprises and curveballs, so I wouldn't completely rule that out, but I'd really like to know, because I'd like to celebrate Easter with my family.

Thank you.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That's a good one.

Mr. Bachrach, go ahead, and then it's Mr. Kusmierczyk and Mr. Lawrence.

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

I support the motion—

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12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Can you start again, please, Mr. Bachrach?

12:30 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I support the intention behind the motion and certainly support many of the goals of the International Association of Fire Fighters. I'm just curious, because our study of the estimates is now taking some twists and turns into areas that are not traditionally directly associated with the estimates. Perhaps the mover of the motion could provide a little background on the subject area so that we could prepare adequately for the meeting.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

We have Mr. Kusmierczyk and then Mr. Lawrence, and then we can get back to Mr. Naqvi if he wishes to respond.

Go ahead, Mr. Kusmierczyk.

12:30 p.m.

Liberal

Irek Kusmierczyk Liberal Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Thank you, Chair.

I would say that they should appear as soon as possible, but during a regular sitting of the committee when the House is in session and the House is sitting.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That's fair.

Go ahead, Mr. Lawrence, and then we'll go back to Mr. Naqvi if he wishes to respond, and then it will be Mr. Bachrach and then Ms. Vignola.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would like to amend the motion by including the following: “Premier Furey, Premier Houston and Premier King”.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That will be a subamendment.

I will take a speaking order on the subamendment.

Ms. Vignola, your hand is still up. Is that on the subamendment or the original amendment? Then it will be Ms. Atwin, who I assume will be speaking on the subamendment.

12:30 p.m.

Bloc

Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Actually, that can apply to the subamendment as well as the amendment.

With regard to the premiers attending, are we going to go around the 10 premiers of Quebec and the Canadian provinces and the three responsible for the territories? It’s important to listen to them, I repeat, and I’m convinced that listening to them helps find consensus and get people thinking about potential solutions. That said, is this committee the right place? We study budgets, yes, but the premiers have their own tables at which to discuss matters directly with the government. If the Committee decides to hear from each of the country’s premiers and that decision is made by a majority of its members, so be it, but I wonder if the Committee is really the right place.

With regard to firefighters, I would indeed be very curious to hear the rationale. I’m wondering if the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates isn’t becoming a catch-all for holding meetings with people who should perhaps be turning to the Finance or Environment committees instead, which would be more in keeping with the committees’ objectives. That said, while I may understand, I look forward to hearing the rationale and expansion.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm sorry, Ms. Atwin. We'll get to you, but there is a point of order.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

I'm hoping I will have the indulgence of the committee. I mentioned Premier Furey, Premier Houston and Premier King, but I omitted Premier Ford, whom I meant to include in the subamendment.