Evidence of meeting #114 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Blaine Higgs  Premier of New Brunswick, Government of New Brunswick
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Thomas Bigelow
Danielle Smith  Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

12:20 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

I can tell you that they're very frustrated, because they're producing food not only for us but for the world. We know that we're not only in an energy security crisis but also in a food security crisis. If you talk to the grain growers, they'll tell you that they are already a net-negative business. Yes, they do have inputs, but they're reducing the amount of fertilizer they use and the inputs that they use. Their whole business model is capturing CO2 into the food products for export.

When you talk to ranchers, it's the same approach. Ranchers do an amazing job of managing biodiversity in our landscapes. Our landscapes in Alberta were created by millions of bison roaming on the lands. That deep fescue captures the CO2 not only in the blades of grass but also deep into the root system and in the microbes that are in the soil, increasing organic material. None of that seems to be understood—that in fact our food producers are providing a service to the planet, not only providing a secure supply of food but also addressing some of these environmental issues—so they're very frustrated that every time they use an input, they get walloped with the tax but don't get the credit for the biodiversity offsets they provide.

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thank you very much.

Mr. Naqvi, go ahead please, sir, for four minutes.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you.

Premier, you were speaking about affordability issues in Alberta and across the country. On the other hand, you are raising your gas tax by 4.5¢. Does it come with a rebate for Albertans, very similar to how the price of pollution through the Canada carbon rebate will be giving $2,160 to rural Albertan families?

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

We eliminate it completely when the price goes above $90, which we did for two years. We will eliminate it again when the price trends above $80. I'd in fact love to see the federal government do the same thing, so that when gas prices are high, they take their tax off completely, as we do, and when they're low, they bring it back on—

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

I'm sorry, Premier. I have very limited time. The answer is that there will be no rebate for Albertan families for the increase they will see on April 1 by 4.5¢.

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

Albertans will get it removed completely if gas prices remain high, and I'd love to see the federal government do the same.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

There is no rebate at the moment.

Thank you—

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

The federal government could always follow our approach and remove it completely.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Premier, earlier this year, you imposed a moratorium on all renewable energy projects in your province. Your decision impacted over $33 billion in energy investment and over 24,000 jobs. Six months later, you released a plan that would permanently ban or limit the construction of renewable energy in over 75% of Alberta, citing a concern that renewable energy projects have an impact on—and I quote—“viewscapes”.

My question is this: Do oil rigs impact viewscapes, yes or no?

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

The wind turbines are the size of the Calgary Tower or the CN Tower, whichever—

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

I'm asking about oil rigs, Premier. I'm asking about oil rigs. Yes or no, do they impact viewscapes?

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

No. They're not the same size as the Calgary Tower.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Do coal mines impact viewscapes, yes or no?

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

We only have four advanced coal projects in Alberta. Coal mining is actually more of a British Columbia issue.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Does the Grassy Mountain coal mine project on the eastern slopes of the Rocky Mountains impact viewscapes, yes or no? I have very limited time, Premier.

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

That was a project from the 1950s, and it's currently not in operation.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

But does it impact viewscapes?

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

It's currently going through a regulatory process.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Do you think that oil and coal mines have a lesser impact on viewscapes than solar panels would?

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

As I said, it's the wind turbines that we're concerned about, because they're the size of the Calgary Tower. In some of these projects, there are 100 or 200 of them on a single site, and they also find themselves in migratory pathways. They have an impact on bird and bat populations—

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

So your—

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

—which is a concern to us.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

Your restrictions will not impact solar panel projects, renewable projects, in the province of Alberta?

12:25 p.m.

Premier of Alberta, Government of Alberta

Danielle Smith

The issue around solar is making sure that it doesn't take up arable land, prime agriculture land. We're spending a lot of money with the federal government on irrigation, and there are certain uses that are incompatible. You can't put pivots on a landscape that has acres and acres of solar panels, so we're asking for them to be moved to marginal landscapes.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

I'm having a hard time. If you're not going to allow renewable sources of energy to take place and create thousands of jobs and investment in Alberta, how are you proposing to reduce the emissions that you're claiming Alberta is doing when the evidence is to the contrary?