I heard that testimony, Mr. Chair, and I thought it was somewhat exaggerated. I think the government made a deliberate choice to outplace the prime contractor to industry. It ceded a bit of control when it did that.
However, the problems that have been experienced are not strongly related to who the prime contractor is and whether it's inside or outside. They have to do with the initial state of the shipyard, the state of our labour force and the complexity of the weapons system we're trying to build. I'm not sure that if it had been all government employees, it would have been any cheaper or any better in the end. You have to interface with a shipyard at some point.
I'd also like to note for the committee that the government has intervened and directed that specifications be frozen, to try to control costs. That has caused another layer of problems. The government is in control, in my view, and the problems are inevitable, given the magnitude and the complexity of the task.