Ms. Karen Hogan at the Government Operations and Estimates Committee

I want to draw a distinction between what we saw with ArriveCAN and what we're seeing here. With regard to ArriveCAN, we clearly saw that GC Strategies was involved in setting the selection criteria. We did not see that in the McKinsey contracts. At times, we saw, when there were competitive bids run, that the selection criteria weren't always used, but not that McKinsey had been involved in setting the selection criteria. They're very different situations.