Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, Ms. Hogan, for being back with the committee to share your work.
There are some disturbing findings, for sure. I think the questions my colleagues have already asked start to get at the nub of what we're trying to figure out as a committee.
In my view, there are two theses here. One is that the government is tight with McKinsey and is showing favouritism towards one vendor. The other is that there's a perception within the public service that the rules are overly restrictive, and in order to get things done, they have to break the rules.
I'm wondering which of those, in your view, is more likely to be the dominant contributing factor in what we're seeing.