Thank you.
I heard very clearly that it's getting to be a problem to attract IT professionals who are very talented to the public service. Can both of you talk a little about why that is?
To follow up on the question I had last round, what does government need to do to make it safer for public servants to actually have the space to be innovative? It sounds like part of the challenge right now is that innovation is being blocked, so what needs to be put in place to nurture that rather than dissuade it?