Well, if we're invoking first names, Francesco, your lack of curiosity or wilful blindness does absolutely nothing to serve the Canadian people. Your interruption of Mr. Genuis because you were simply upset that he was asking tough questions about someone who had been appointed by your government, sir, a corrupt government.... That appointee, Mr. Clark, did recommend for an appointment the head of the company that his children work for. That's a blatant conflict of interest. It's very relevant, when we have Mr. Clark saying things here....
Mr. Jowhari said that Mr. Clark said that he didn't have anything to do with it, and therefore we have to take his word for it. We have officials from your government who said, in writing, that in fact Mr. Clark was part of it. Who is lying, the government officials or the government appointees—or both? It's about the integrity of the appointments that your government is making, that Minister Joly is making. She appointed someone who was saying that they were an impartial broadcaster. Meanwhile, during a federal election, one of their children held a senior role with a political party in Canada, the Liberal Party in Canada. Credibility, integrity, staying clear of conflicts of interest—these things are very foreign concepts. We've seen Justin Trudeau twice found guilty of breaking ethics laws, and a cabinet of serial ethical lawbreakers. We're going to keep asking tough questions, even if you say our first names and ask us and beg us not to. This isn't about who you know, which unfortunately is how Mr. Clark got that appointment and that $40,000-a-month rent subsidy, while Canadians are literally freezing in the dark and starving.
The minister is responsible for taking the decision. If she chose to delegate authority, she's ultimately responsible for that, but we know that her chief of staff, as we heard from the department officials, was involved in the conversations. Is the proposal to have the chief come? I don't think it is. We're past that. We want to hear from the minister.
Again, to Mr. Genuis's point, if history has been any indicator, we're going to get a full-court press from the Liberals to protect the minister from having to be accountable to Canadians. It is certainly not the responsibility of members to protect ministers. Let's get the minister to come to committee and answer questions about this. It's an unacceptable purchase. Mr. Clark's answers today were not credible. I think some of what we heard about his failure to recuse himself from decisions that he ought to have recused himself from in the past tells quite a tale. The Liberals' strong protest of the examination of those facts is very telling.
It's important that the minister come to testify.