Evidence of meeting #137 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was residence.

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Thomas Clark  Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Marc-Olivier Girard

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Good afternoon, everyone. I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 137 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates.

As always, I will remind you all to keep your headphones away from your microphones so that we do not cause problems for our very valued interpreters who are helping out today.

Before we get to an opening statement from Mr. Clark, I just want to hand the floor over to Mrs. Vignola for about a minute or so about a very important anniversary.

Go ahead, Mrs. Vignola.

Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for giving me this time.

Yesterday was September 11. I would like us to take a moment to remember the Canadians and Quebeckers who lost their lives alongside Americans on this sad day in our history.

That day, my parliamentary assistant experienced it first-hand as part of a delegation from Quebec that was supposed to attend meetings in one of the towers.

I would like us to take a moment to remember an incident that we hope no one ever has to live through again.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thank you very much, Mrs. Vignola. We appreciate your words.

Mr. Clark, we're going to hand things over to you for five minutes for your opening statement. Please go ahead, sir.

Thomas Clark Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Mr. Chair and committee, first of all, good afternoon. Let me start by commending this committee for taking up this matter.

When governments sell and buy official residences involving millions of dollars, parliamentary scrutiny is completely understandable. At a time when many Canadians and many Americans are facing housing challenges, they have a right to know why and how decisions are made to buy and sell official accommodations. Canadians have the right to know whether these transactions result in value for money and how and whether they advance Canadians' interests. Parliamentarians are the right people to pose those questions and to get those answers. I hope to be helpful in that endeavour today.

I have the honour of leading Canada's Consulate General in New York, a role I took up on February 27, 2023. This is one of Canada's most significant diplomatic posts. It is responsible for five states—New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and Delaware—as well as the island of Bermuda. This region has a combined GDP of more than $6 trillion and a two-way trade with Canada of more than $200 billion a year.

In New York City alone there are about 300,000 Canadian residents and thousands more who come here on vacation. The consulate provides all of them with essential government services, including emergency consular service when required.

The consulate is also in the heart of the American media capital, where Americans' opinions of Canada are often formed, created and amplified.

My work encompasses all of these aspects and many more. Essentially, the consul general is there to promote and defend Canadian interests, encourage trade and investment, and strengthen co‑operation on a whole range of bilateral issues at the municipal, state and federal levels.

To do this work, I am given certain tools to do the job. I am assigned a residence to both live in and use for work. That means using it for certain types of meetings, receptions and dinners. It is Canada's house in New York.

Since I arrived, I have held 38 events at the residence. Most recently, last week I had a reception for New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy and his delegation on the eve of their trade and political mission to Canada, with visits to Ontario and Quebec. Other events, such as dinners, have centred around venture capital, private equity, political outreach, AI public policy and the arts.

As you have already heard in testimony from Global Affairs Canada officials, I had no role whatsoever in either deciding to sell the former residence or buying the new one. That was completely undertaken by the property bureau in Ottawa. I was not involved in the selection of the new property, its amenities or its location. As you have heard, this project will return millions of dollars to Canadian taxpayers, which I'm sure all of you think is a good thing.

I also want to let you know why I was unavailable on August 27, when you first invited me to speak with you. I was on leave with my children and my grandchildren. I am very pleased and thankful that the committee accommodated my appearance today.

Finally, I would like to tell you why I accepted this job as consul general in the first place. After a 45-year career in broadcasting and five years as a senior business executive, I was looking for an opportunity to give back, because I believe that anyone who has done well because of Canada, or in my case because of Canadians, should give something back to the country that gave them so much. This job allows me to do just that, using my experience and my personal networks in the service of Canada.

I am extremely proud of the work my team here in New York does for Canadians, advancing and protecting their interests every single day.

Mr. Chairman, I now look forward to answering any questions the members may have.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thanks, Mr. Clark.

We'll start with Mr. Barrett for six minutes, please.

Go ahead, sir.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Clark, how long were you residing in the old residence?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Thomas Clark

From the time I arrived, February 27, 2023, until today.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

The listing for that property describes it as a “masterpiece”. Is that right? Is that how it's described?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Thomas Clark

I know nothing about real estate.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Well, you're here to talk about it today, so I hope you're prepared to turn your mind to it.

The Prime Minister visited you in New York City on April 27 of the year you moved in. Is that right?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Thomas Clark

I believe that's correct. He was here on a mission.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Did you host the Prime Minister in the residence?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Did you show him around?

September 12th, 2024 / 12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Thomas Clark

Around the residence...? No.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

You didn't show him around.

Did he comment on the look of it?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Just to confirm, on April 27 you and the Prime Minister were in the residence that was deemed unfit for you to continue living in. Is it correct that you were there on April 27?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Thomas Clark

Yes—along with about 80 other people.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

On April 28, the next day, you were in the limo with him in New York. Is that right?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Thomas Clark

That's correct.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Were there any conversations regarding renovations, upgrades, moving, the former occupants of that condo or you now occupying it, or any change in discussions regarding which representative in New York was occupying that space? Did that come up at all?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Thomas Clark

None whatsoever.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

We have government documents that detail how talks on getting a new residence intensified immediately after the Prime Minister visited you. You asked him for a new place: Is that right?

12:10 p.m.

Consul General of Canada in New York, United States, Consulate General of Canada in New York

Thomas Clark

That's incorrect.