This is my sixth department as a deputy minister. They're all a bit different, to be honest with you. There are departments where Gs and Cs programs are basically the first line of business—I'm thinking about Indigenous Services Canada—so you talk about Gs and Cs on a daily basis because that's something you do non-stop. This is a very different department because, over the years, a lot of the focus has been on regulation, protection and meteorology, for example, a line of business where there's a lot of science and a lot of work done internally.
Most of the programs, before they grew so much, were very small initiatives, sometimes a few hundred thousand dollars and so on. If I compare it with other departments, it's probably one of the most decentralized because of this in terms of Gs and Cs management. All the departments have struggled with some of the elements that you see in the audit, but I think this one, of course, is due more to decentralization, and the existing growth is also quite significant.