The impact of fraud is what I referred to earlier in speaking about our data deficit. When you don't measure these things, you don't know the extent of the problem.
Across all sectors, fraud is in the billions of dollars each year. It's absolutely billions of dollars. If you look beyond procurement, it's in the billions of dollars. It is significant. It is detrimental. It is stunting our growth and our capacity. It is trauma for everyday people who live in these indigenous communities and are trying to build capacity and be equal partners, but our resources are pilfered, misdirected and misused.
The general public looks at that and says, “Hey, these indigenous dollars are being wasted,” but we're not even receiving the dollars because of this misrepresentation and exploitation.
That's the injustice.