I appreciate that answer.
I'd also like to follow up on a question I had asked the minister regarding recovering money. Perhaps I'll ask a question in regard to recovering money from the fraudsters who have managed to defraud the government over a period of time.
At the public accounts committee, you and your officials testified that negotiations were ongoing with these individuals to get money back. Can you please explain to us the nature of these negotiations? Why are you even negotiating with them instead of actually demanding that they pay the money back?