That's a two-point question.
Given that the human resources committee of this House studied precarious work, and one of the recommendations in the report on precarious work was that the government work to bring temporary help agency work back into the public service and that it incentivize permanent and indeterminate hiring, I absolutely think there's an awareness. That was a unanimous committee report, without dissent, so I think it's aware.
To the second part of your question as to whether it uses that awareness in its hiring, I don't think the evidence shows us that it does or it wouldn't be contracting out at the rate that it is. We have to be clear that a lot of this work is lower paid, especially for something like cleaning.
I can give you an example. At CFB Greenwood in 2018, they were trying to contract out the cleaners. We saw job postings for the new jobs that were at minimum wage, and our members told us, “You know what? I don't get rich cleaning base Greenwood, but I can put my kids through hockey. I'm going to have to leave Greenwood and move to Halifax, because I won't be able to afford to stay here.”
I think any manager knows what's happening when they contract out and that, even if the same workers are hired back in a situation like Greenwood or something like that, they're going to make less money.